- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:21:29 am
#10348
Sarah, does having a poor social game automatically disqualify someone from winning?
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:21:53 am
#10349
This is a free for all by the way, i was kind of hoping for a finalist to take charge and ask the other finalists questions/debate.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:24:43 am
#10350
Cass brings up a portion of the game that OFTEN goes unfairly unnoticed when it comes to FTC. Make the case that you played a strong premerge game.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:24:55 am
#10351
I think that Cass has played a good game. I don't want to sit here and bash her and say she doesn't deserve to be here.
I'm gonna go back to the substance vs flash thing here. I did a lot in this game from a lot of different levels. I had a good pre-merge where I survived a lot of tribal councils despite starting both of the switches in the minority. I expertly stood next to (not behind) all of the big move-makers in the merge, until it was time to step in front of them.
I believe that Cassandra hid behind her immunities for a lot of the game. She didn't have to do nearly as much strategy in the crazy pre-merge, and then she was able to be comfortable with a hidden immunity idol (she didn't find, but lucked into). She won four immunity challengeswhich yes, definitely is something to be commended, but that doesn't make up for the questionable end-game position she put herself in by flipping on the Andrea vote.
Rudy wrote:well...
Yul. It's pretty unanimous from the jury that you have given the BEST jury performance by far. That being said, some jurors believe Cass still deserves to win over you.
Yul [and Sarah too]: you need to really tell the jury why Cass shouldn't win this game. Why do you deserve to win OVER her?
I think that Cass has played a good game. I don't want to sit here and bash her and say she doesn't deserve to be here.
I'm gonna go back to the substance vs flash thing here. I did a lot in this game from a lot of different levels. I had a good pre-merge where I survived a lot of tribal councils despite starting both of the switches in the minority. I expertly stood next to (not behind) all of the big move-makers in the merge, until it was time to step in front of them.
I believe that Cassandra hid behind her immunities for a lot of the game. She didn't have to do nearly as much strategy in the crazy pre-merge, and then she was able to be comfortable with a hidden immunity idol (she didn't find, but lucked into). She won four immunity challengeswhich yes, definitely is something to be commended, but that doesn't make up for the questionable end-game position she put herself in by flipping on the Andrea vote.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25:25 am
#10352
I still had friends here. I've already explained that. It's just they all got voted out. My social game has improved a lot here! I think in a different combination I have a really strong case, poor social game or not. It's not like I didn't bond with people, I just didn't bond with the right people.
Jeff Probst wrote:Sarah, does having a poor social game automatically disqualify someone from winning?
I still had friends here. I've already explained that. It's just they all got voted out. My social game has improved a lot here! I think in a different combination I have a really strong case, poor social game or not. It's not like I didn't bond with people, I just didn't bond with the right people.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25:46 am
#10353
I've outlined this several times already. I didn't need to be immune at F7, at F6, or at F5. I'll take this opportunity to segue over to Andrea's post.
I will admit that I needed that F4 immunity, yes. Voting Sarah out at F5 was something I was certainly considering, but I couldn't take the risk that Ozzy would beat me at F4. It was more a matter of being forced to sit next to him at FTC than it was fear that he would vote me out, but either way I probably needed that immunity after you left. If it seems like I've been denying that, it's because I've been trying to explain that I had backup options (tenuous as they were). There's no doubt that winning that immunity was my saving grace.
That said, I positioned myself with the knowledge that I would have to win it, and gave myself the absolute best odds that I could win it. I did win it, and I don't think that saving myself through my own challenge skills should be looked at as a negative.
Yup, that would be when I was first swapped into Tianguan 3.0. I hadn't met three of the five other players, and I was allied with the two that I did know (in two different alliances). So even then, I was positioned as best as I possibly could be. I told Katie in her thread how I sabotaged Wigles' game somewhat, while making a good impression on Andrea/Vytas/Mia. I was being considered to be voted out because of suspicions that I had an idol, but I participated in each of the challenges that led us to immunity and by the last round of that it was clear that Wigles would have gone home over me.
Jeff Probst wrote:Cassandra, you have been Immune for the past four councils in a row. I'm going to mention Sophie when I say that... Immunity isn't everything, and in fact we have seen players penalized for being immune... thus not having to really play the game. What would you say to that criticism?
I've outlined this several times already. I didn't need to be immune at F7, at F6, or at F5. I'll take this opportunity to segue over to Andrea's post.
I will admit that I needed that F4 immunity, yes. Voting Sarah out at F5 was something I was certainly considering, but I couldn't take the risk that Ozzy would beat me at F4. It was more a matter of being forced to sit next to him at FTC than it was fear that he would vote me out, but either way I probably needed that immunity after you left. If it seems like I've been denying that, it's because I've been trying to explain that I had backup options (tenuous as they were). There's no doubt that winning that immunity was my saving grace.
That said, I positioned myself with the knowledge that I would have to win it, and gave myself the absolute best odds that I could win it. I did win it, and I don't think that saving myself through my own challenge skills should be looked at as a negative.
Liliana wrote:cass- since the final 20 you were immune every single round, until the merge. was there ever a time you think you couldve been voted out, had you lost?
Yup, that would be when I was first swapped into Tianguan 3.0. I hadn't met three of the five other players, and I was allied with the two that I did know (in two different alliances). So even then, I was positioned as best as I possibly could be. I told Katie in her thread how I sabotaged Wigles' game somewhat, while making a good impression on Andrea/Vytas/Mia. I was being considered to be voted out because of suspicions that I had an idol, but I participated in each of the challenges that led us to immunity and by the last round of that it was clear that Wigles would have gone home over me.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:26:00 am
#10354
Liliana, is there someone who you would like to see fight more an what exactly aren't they doing to get your vote?
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:26:18 am
#10355
I'm really happy to hear that.
Andrea wrote:(and p.s. Yul I wanted to talk to you 100% of the time, promise. Never fake.)
I'm really happy to hear that.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:27:58 am
#10356
She didn't "flip" on the Andrea vote, she just didn't vote for who she told you she was voting for. She voted for who she told ME she was voting for. this is like how Sarah keeps saying I flipped on her. That doesn't just mean people didn't vote the way you wanted them to.
And she didn't luck into Brenda's idol. She had the strongest relationship with Brenda and was thus given that idol. That's not luck.
And her continued immunities in the pre-merge were, at least from what I can gather from when I was on a tribe with her, by and large a function of her kicking ass in the team challenges, which requires not just challenge strength but teamwork and adaptability.
Yul wrote:Rudy wrote:well...
Yul. It's pretty unanimous from the jury that you have given the BEST jury performance by far. That being said, some jurors believe Cass still deserves to win over you.
Yul [and Sarah too]: you need to really tell the jury why Cass shouldn't win this game. Why do you deserve to win OVER her?
I think that Cass has played a good game. I don't want to sit here and bash her and say she doesn't deserve to be here.
I'm gonna go back to the substance vs flash thing here. I did a lot in this game from a lot of different levels. I had a good pre-merge where I survived a lot of tribal councils despite starting both of the switches in the minority. I expertly stood next to (not behind) all of the big move-makers in the merge, until it was time to step in front of them.
I believe that Cassandra hid behind her immunities for a lot of the game. She didn't have to do nearly as much strategy in the crazy pre-merge, and then she was able to be comfortable with a hidden immunity idol (she didn't find, but lucked into). She won four immunity challengeswhich yes, definitely is something to be commended, but that doesn't make up for the questionable end-game position she put herself in by flipping on the Andrea vote.
She didn't "flip" on the Andrea vote, she just didn't vote for who she told you she was voting for. She voted for who she told ME she was voting for. this is like how Sarah keeps saying I flipped on her. That doesn't just mean people didn't vote the way you wanted them to.
And she didn't luck into Brenda's idol. She had the strongest relationship with Brenda and was thus given that idol. That's not luck.
And her continued immunities in the pre-merge were, at least from what I can gather from when I was on a tribe with her, by and large a function of her kicking ass in the team challenges, which requires not just challenge strength but teamwork and adaptability.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:28:20 am
#10357
Then I will. Fine. Yul, please explain to me why you deserve to win over Cass. I want you to fight me on the notion that you managed to get here on your own and not having hid behind Rudy and Ozzy. Explain to me how YOU made the moves to get here and weren't just part of that movement. I've said it NUMEROUS times, I felt like you never tried to discuss moves with me.
You even said to me at one point that's stuck with me throughout this whole game... You know what I'm going to say.
You said to me, and this is as close to direct as I can without digging through chat history... "I feel like final 8 might be too soon to make a big move."
Really?
Jeff Probst wrote:This is a free for all by the way, i was kind of hoping for a finalist to take charge and ask the other finalists questions/debate.
Then I will. Fine. Yul, please explain to me why you deserve to win over Cass. I want you to fight me on the notion that you managed to get here on your own and not having hid behind Rudy and Ozzy. Explain to me how YOU made the moves to get here and weren't just part of that movement. I've said it NUMEROUS times, I felt like you never tried to discuss moves with me.
You even said to me at one point that's stuck with me throughout this whole game... You know what I'm going to say.
You said to me, and this is as close to direct as I can without digging through chat history... "I feel like final 8 might be too soon to make a big move."
Really?
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:28:39 am
#10358
I think you sound like you are speaking from the perspective of someone who was not knee-deep in this game. It reminds me of when Liliana tried to explain all of our games and she simply did not have the information to do so accurately. You are doing the same thing. Talking like you know what happened, but honestly I don't think you did.
Here's what I'd say to people like that:
I did have a large target on my back when I took out Catalie and she called me out as running the tribe, then immediately took that target into a switch where I was alone with Rudy. Then I had a target on my back when Candice tried to take me out and failed. From there, I successfully stayed relevant in the game and kept the target off my back, not because I did nothing but because I did the right amount of somethings. By the middle of the merge I had a firm grasp on this game.
I said this as well: There was NEVER a moment in this game where I mindlessly followed someone. I questioned EVERYTHING.
Jeff Probst wrote:Yul, in a lot of ways you've been a second wheel to an alliance, and some would even say a goat. What would you say to the criticism that you have not had a target on your back, and thus an easy ride to the finals by being a background player?
I think you sound like you are speaking from the perspective of someone who was not knee-deep in this game. It reminds me of when Liliana tried to explain all of our games and she simply did not have the information to do so accurately. You are doing the same thing. Talking like you know what happened, but honestly I don't think you did.
Here's what I'd say to people like that:
I did have a large target on my back when I took out Catalie and she called me out as running the tribe, then immediately took that target into a switch where I was alone with Rudy. Then I had a target on my back when Candice tried to take me out and failed. From there, I successfully stayed relevant in the game and kept the target off my back, not because I did nothing but because I did the right amount of somethings. By the middle of the merge I had a firm grasp on this game.
I said this as well: There was NEVER a moment in this game where I mindlessly followed someone. I questioned EVERYTHING.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:28:43 am
#10359
good :) i'm gonna keep bothering you after this game is over, so be prepared. there's no getting rid of me. get ready for more ASL videos.
Yul wrote:Andrea wrote:(and p.s. Yul I wanted to talk to you 100% of the time, promise. Never fake.)
I'm really happy to hear that.
good :) i'm gonna keep bothering you after this game is over, so be prepared. there's no getting rid of me. get ready for more ASL videos.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:29:35 am
#10361
Yul wrote:Jeff Probst wrote:Yul, in a lot of ways you've been a second wheel to an alliance, and some would even say a goat. What would you say to the criticism that you have not had a target on your back, and thus an easy ride to the finals by being a background player?
I think you sound like you are speaking from the perspective of someone who was not knee-deep in this game. It reminds me of when Liliana tried to explain all of our games and she simply did not have the information to do so accurately. You are doing the same thing. Talking like you know what happened, but honestly I don't think you did.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:29:55 am
#10362
Andrea, you're someone who has for two seasons now gone home for being the most likable or threatening person remaining in the game. Does that make you respect someone who can get to the end with a target on their back more? OR does it make you respect players who were never in danger more?
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:31:29 am
#10364
Hi Vytas. Vote for me.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:31:56 am
#10365
I will confirm that AS FAR AS I KNOW--I know you and Brenda could have swung like a 3-2-2--you were going if we'd lost the first Tianguan immunity. sorry bb.
Also cool. I'm not judging you for needing that F4 immunity! I was only judging you for saying you didn't need it
Cassandra wrote:Jeff Probst wrote:Cassandra, you have been Immune for the past four councils in a row. I'm going to mention Sophie when I say that... Immunity isn't everything, and in fact we have seen players penalized for being immune... thus not having to really play the game. What would you say to that criticism?
I've outlined this several times already. I didn't need to be immune at F7, at F6, or at F5. I'll take this opportunity to segue over to Andrea's post.
I will admit that I needed that F4 immunity, yes. Voting Sarah out at F5 was something I was certainly considering, but I couldn't take the risk that Ozzy would beat me at F4. It was more a matter of being forced to sit next to him at FTC than it was fear that he would vote me out, but either way I probably needed that immunity after you left. If it seems like I've been denying that, it's because I've been trying to explain that I had backup options (tenuous as they were). There's no doubt that winning that immunity was my saving grace.
That said, I positioned myself with the knowledge that I would have to win it, and gave myself the absolute best odds that I could win it. I did win it, and I don't think that saving myself through my own challenge skills should be looked at as a negative.Liliana wrote:cass- since the final 20 you were immune every single round, until the merge. was there ever a time you think you couldve been voted out, had you lost?
Yup, that would be when I was first swapped into Tianguan 3.0. I hadn't met three of the five other players, and I was allied with the two that I did know (in two different alliances). So even then, I was positioned as best as I possibly could be. I told Katie in her thread how I sabotaged Wigles' game somewhat, while making a good impression on Andrea/Vytas/Mia. I was being considered to be voted out because of suspicions that I had an idol, but I participated in each of the challenges that led us to immunity and by the last round of that it was clear that Wigles would have gone home over me.
I will confirm that AS FAR AS I KNOW--I know you and Brenda could have swung like a 3-2-2--you were going if we'd lost the first Tianguan immunity. sorry bb.
Also cool. I'm not judging you for needing that F4 immunity! I was only judging you for saying you didn't need it
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:32:05 am
#10366
Vytas, you're someone who doesn't put up with bullshit much. Sum up tonight's decision tonight.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:34:10 am
#10367
i'm voting for who i think played the best game.
Jeff Probst wrote:Vytas, you're someone who doesn't put up with bullshit much. Sum up tonight's decision tonight.
i'm voting for who i think played the best game.
- Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:34:13 am
#10368
First off, that final eight comment was a lie I specifically told you so we could stop talking. Obviously I don't agree with it. I made moves BEFORE the final eight in this game, and AFTER.
Here's my 'fight' on the notion I didn't hide behind Rudy or Ozzy. I had plenty of relationships outside of both of them. In the end I needed them, because I was able to use those relationships to be included (and participate) in Rudy's vote-out, and then Rory came through for me at the very end. I don't believe I hid behind anyone but I damn sure made relationships and I damn sure used them.
One of my big regrets is neglecting you in this game, as a player and as a potential friend. I do apologize for that.
Sarah wrote:Jeff Probst wrote:This is a free for all by the way, i was kind of hoping for a finalist to take charge and ask the other finalists questions/debate.
Then I will. Fine. Yul, please explain to me why you deserve to win over Cass. I want you to fight me on the notion that you managed to get here on your own and not having hid behind Rudy and Ozzy. Explain to me how YOU made the moves to get here and weren't just part of that movement. I've said it NUMEROUS times, I felt like you never tried to discuss moves with me.
You even said to me at one point that's stuck with me throughout this whole game... You know what I'm going to say.
You said to me, and this is as close to direct as I can without digging through chat history... "I feel like final 8 might be too soon to make a big move."
Really?
First off, that final eight comment was a lie I specifically told you so we could stop talking. Obviously I don't agree with it. I made moves BEFORE the final eight in this game, and AFTER.
Here's my 'fight' on the notion I didn't hide behind Rudy or Ozzy. I had plenty of relationships outside of both of them. In the end I needed them, because I was able to use those relationships to be included (and participate) in Rudy's vote-out, and then Rory came through for me at the very end. I don't believe I hid behind anyone but I damn sure made relationships and I damn sure used them.
One of my big regrets is neglecting you in this game, as a player and as a potential friend. I do apologize for that.