[Liliana]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:42:05 pm #9271 Is there a term for when you really dislike somebody but dont know why?
Thats me for ozzy

[Rudy]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:17:11 pm #9275

Ozzy - He has positioned himself so fucking masterfully. I don't know how y'all can't see this.

Boi the fuck you talking about. You're the one who voted me out instead of taking a chance to get him

That's because his social game is on point and we had a great relationship.

Is there a term for when you really dislike somebody but dont know why?
Thats me for ozzy

It's called being a hater.

[Vytas]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:50:01 pm #9278

Andrea - Her game is confusing to me. Her turning on Vytas was a major turning point for her. She's going to say it was strategic and that Vytas leaving her out of the vote was a sign that he was not to be trusted. However, I don't buy that 100%. Right after the vote, Yul and I decided that WE HAD TO WORK ON HER. I knew she was an emotional player, so Yul and I strategized on what "trigger words" to use with her after Brenda left. I kept hammering home that she didn't have a "partnership" with Vytas and that he didn't "value" her opinion. I reminded her that Yul and I would never treat each other like that and she deserved better. She was definitely riled up.

that's brilliant congrats!

i agree with your assessments for 6 of them, but let's talk about yul. maybe you can convince me that he deserves my vote. idk. i like him but i don't respect his game. all the time i was on the same tribe with you and him, i considered him your vote doubler. was there ANY move that he can claim?

my ranking as of now would be
1 ozzy
2 big cass
3 rory
4 sarah
5 yul
6 hitler

[Mia]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:12:00 pm #9280 I believed Andrea would still work with us because she put so much effort into making me think so. OBVIOUSLY that's part of the game, but holding such shady behavior against her is also part of the game, so I will. Seriously she spent like half an hour on chat talking about how much she was excited to hang out after this, how much she loved me, how much she was sorry and how her head was going to be so clear now that Vytas was gone... the shit she was spewing was golden. I blindly trusted her because we were allies on day one and she didn't seem smart enough to turn like Brenda and Vytas did. Do I care that everything she fed me was a total lie, especially because she was bitching about me an entire week prior? No, not really. But I reserve the right to be a bitter cunt because I'm Mia. So fuck her.

Also, saying she called Vytas was a total misstep, that was the heat of the moment talking. She obviously never said that, but she did imply that his comments made him a horrible person who she JUST couldn't LIVE with herself if she was going to be around any longer. I jumped to conclusions, but what she said was just fucking pathetic, ignorant, and unfair to Vytas. Especially now that he's clarified what was said.

I also want to see her twitter. I love your twitter, Rory!

[Mia]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:13:10 pm #9281 I like Cass more than Ozzy fyi.

[Mia]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:16:41 pm #9282 Vytas, remember MALE WINNER back in Portugal? Well, I'm starting GAY WINNER this time around. Except for Andrea.

[Vytas]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:08:33 pm #9303 of course i remember. did anyone forget?

[Vytas]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:14:18 pm #9304

Also, saying she called Vytas was a total misstep, that was the heat of the moment talking. She obviously never said that, but she did imply that his comments made him a horrible person who she JUST couldn't LIVE with herself if she was going to be around any longer. I jumped to conclusions, but what she said was just fucking pathetic, ignorant, and unfair to Vytas. Especially now that he's clarified what was said.

you did the right thing. not a misstep, not uncool.

[Rudy]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:47:58 pm #9307 [img]i agree with your assessments for 6 of them, but let's talk about yul. maybe you can convince me that he deserves my vote. idk. i like him but i don't respect his game. all the time i was on the same tribe with you and him, i considered him your vote doubler. was there ANY move that he can claim?
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I don't know if Yul can claim any moves specifically, but I will say that Yul was the absolute core of our original tribe on Shentu. The pre merge portion of the game usually goes unnoticed unfortunately, but that's where he was strongest. Not that we had a difficult time at all, but I thought his social game there was stronger than what it is post-merge.

About our switched tribe: take note that Yul and I had a strategy when we first switched. I was to work on you/Andrea and he was to work on Candice/Rory. I don't want to excuse his lack of socializing with you two, but part of our focus was to nurture relationships with different groups. This is why on Bai Qi, I was in immediate danger more so than Yul.

It's worth exploring though why Yul voted me out. Not only did he vote me out, but I think he literally was aggressive in making sure I was booted. He owes his life to me in this game with the Candice boot (in all fairness, it's still up for debate and to be seen if Candice was planning to vote me or Ozzy off next). I think we should really give him a chance to see how his game has changed since dumping me. If he does make it to the end, I'll be asking him more about his rationale at F7 and on. Let's give him a chance please.

[Rudy]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:26:06 pm #9308 Re Mia about Andrea:

Yeah that's your prerogative to be upset with her, but it just sounds like a damned if you do damned if you don't argument regarding her which is unfair imo. Was she NOT supposed to be convincing you like she did? How do we know she isn't excited to hang out with you after the game? Because of Vytas' testimony? Maybe she's pathological and she's just doing everything she can to emotionally dupe the others.

The emotionally manipulative side to her can be a really nasty way of playing an All Stars game, but obviously it is effective in some regard to her advancing further. Obviously, her jury management is polarizing. Why is that? I think if she makes it further, you'll see that she was able to handle the later half of the jury better than the first half. I actually like her a lot!

It's unfortunate when people take things to the extreme personally. I've made my comments about the Vytas/Andrea situation and out of respect for both of them, I shall not comment again. I hope it's something that can be resolved.

btw, . My twitter is @That_Cho. Mostly gaming stuff and some memes/gifs. haha

[Mia]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:50:14 pm #9309 Fair points. I guess it comes down to her inability to confront things, which is her prerogative, and it's my prerogative to not respect her for it. Maybe you're right and Vytas is exaggerating what she would say about me, but for now I'm choosing to believe him. And because of that, couple with her inability to confront me about her issues with me, and her inability to confront Vytas about her issues with him, and how her attitude seems to be that she is some higher person because she's choosing to do this game with GOOD people, and then how she used personal discussions to go out of her way to convince me she was on my side? I don't have to like her or respect her for any of that, so I'm not going to. At least not right now. When have I ever respected the people that bitterly betrayed me in this series? Not once.

[Rudy]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:53:51 pm #9310 My F6 ranking:
1. Ozzy
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2. Cass
3. Rory
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4. Yul
5. Andrea
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6. Sarah

[Mia]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:56:41 pm #9311 I'm sure I'll be less bitter even by tomorrow. I can already feel it ~leaving my body~ but I feel like she was vindictive and self-centered so that's how I'm choosing to act in retaliation. And I'll own it :)

[Rudy]

- Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:03:19 pm #9312 When you put it that way, I totally can understand your perspective. Andrea definitely isn't confrontational and maybe it's because she wants validation from everyone. Her knack for viciously talking behind both Vytas and Mia's backs makes me wonder if she said things about me behind me back. I assumed I was one of those GOOD people she was referring to, but I'm also sitting here on the jury now. What did she have to say about me to everyone else to make them turn?

Really intriguing stuff here. We'll just see what she says once she's either here or in the F3. Either way, I'm all for giving people a fair shot at my vote. It doesn't hurt that I genuinely like everyone left in the game except for Sarah.

[Andrea]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:54:03 am #9443 hey vytas real quick--I never called you racist or a Nazi or anything like that. I said I thought the comment you made about being proud to see a Nazi wear a shirt with a Romanian guy on it was an inappropriate thing to say TO ME. that's it. I never said anything about what it meant about you as a person. You can still totally be upset with me but I want to be clear about what I did and didn't say.

And the reason I said it was because Mia was coming to me all emotionally telling me that by voting with the exact same alliance I'd voted with in the last vote I'd betrayed her more than anyone else had in a game and totally shaken her to the core to the point that she had to take a weekend away from the game because she was so hurt by me, so I was trying to talk to her in a similarly emotional way because it seemed like that was the place she was at and I thought it was my best move. Obviously that was a misjudgment.

[Andrea]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:56:44 am #9444 So yes, if it wasn't clear, I voted out Vytas because I could smell that condescending "I'm going to coddle the crazy girl" shit from a mile away and I wasn't going to go to the end as a goat with that. Rudy actually had me fooled into thinking he liked me, so you got me there.

[Andrea]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:57:35 am #9445

When you put it that way, I totally can understand your perspective. Andrea definitely isn't confrontational and maybe it's because she wants validation from everyone. Her knack for viciously talking behind both Vytas and Mia's backs makes me wonder if she said things about me behind me back. I assumed I was one of those GOOD people she was referring to, but I'm also sitting here on the jury now. What did she have to say about me to everyone else to make them turn?

Really intriguing stuff here. We'll just see what she says once she's either here or in the F3. Either way, I'm all for giving people a fair shot at my vote. It doesn't hurt that I genuinely like everyone left in the game except for Sarah.

It was Cass and Ozzy pushing your vote. I wanted you to stay. I didn't "turn" anyone.

[Brenda]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:06:09 am #9448 I keep trying to get here live for a TC and keep missing it.

wtf are you doing here Andrea, you aren't suppose to be here till F5?

[Andrea]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:07:34 am #9451

I keep trying to get here live for a TC and keep missing it.

wtf are you doing here Andrea, you aren't suppose to be here till F5?

nah, that was assuming my alliance held, haha. it did not. it's all right, 6th place queen.

i didn't want you to go btw.

[Mia]

- Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:32:19 am #9457

hey vytas real quick--I never called you racist or a Nazi or anything like that. I said I thought the comment you made about being proud to see a Nazi wear a shirt with a Romanian guy on it was an inappropriate thing to say TO ME. that's it. I never said anything about what it meant about you as a person. You can still totally be upset with me but I want to be clear about what I did and didn't say.

And the reason I said it was because Mia was coming to me all emotionally telling me that by voting with the exact same alliance I'd voted with in the last vote I'd betrayed her more than anyone else had in a game and totally shaken her to the core to the point that she had to take a weekend away from the game because she was so hurt by me, so I was trying to talk to her in a similarly emotional way because it seemed like that was the place she was at and I thought it was my best move. Obviously that was a misjudgment.

I won't say much (because I'm trying to be a lady) but I will say that I didn't mean to make it seem like you called him a Nazi or racist at tribal. Heat of the moment and I don't want to put words in your mouth so I'm sorry! And I've already clarified that here. That being said I thought it was a crappy way to rationalize not being able to stand Vytas one more minute in the game but I also had no clue you were Jewish so that helps me understand where you were coming from, and I'm sorry for that as well. I also do think it's perfectly acceptable for him to voice why he was proud to see a Romanian figure but upset to see that Nazis are representing him in such a heinously misguided way. Based on what he said here I don't think meant even a shred of offense by that so I don't really think it's fair to have taken it so wrongly, but I understand why you did. You just seem really bad at confrontation i.e. with me especially.

I also figured that by acting so HURT and TORN (nothings fine I'm torn) was the best way to reach YOU. Because that's about the impression you gave me all game, and seemed like the place YOU were at. Other players like Rudy and Yul seemed to have done a much better job at playing to your blind spot like that, but it just isn't me. I'll be shocked if you actually found that convincing.